Nya Eldar?

[Halvar]

Läser jag reglerna rätt om fire dragons får totalt +3 på sitt slag påvehicle damage chart (+2 för ap1 och +1 för deras specialregel) OCH varje modell får slå om ett missat to hit eller to wound/armour penetration slag per runda?

Om det stämmer är de ju hyfsat buffade...

I den fysiska står det exarch only.

[refabricated]

Dax att sprida lite positivt ljus i denna tråd/forum!

Efter att ha läst boken(mest regel-delen) och tittat på bilderna måste jag säga att jag är imponerad.

Ingen annan codex har skapat ett sådant sug efter att spela som denna har gjort. Det fina är INTE att det finns två enheter/modeller som är långt bättre än vad de borde vara.
Det fina är att det känns som att de hittat en balans mellan alla enheter i boken, men vill liksom ha med alla i sin arme. INGEN annan codex har kommiti närheten av detta. T.o.m. Banshees verkar balla numera!
Jag skiter i om Eldar är 'over-powerd', den biten fixar kompen eller så väl motståndare streamlina sina listor lite. Men det nya sättet att bygga listor med små detachments tror jag kommer funka riktigt bra när ingen enhet känns som en ryggsäck att släpa runt på.

Fantastisk bok!

[Gonka Koff]

Håller med Refab. Själv blir jag jättesugen på footdar, med ett sånt där Dire Avenger Shrine som grund... och sen krydda med lite fräna aspects. Swooping Hawks är ju ballaste AA-enheten ever. Sen vill man ju ha en del trolleri så man kan kasta lvl 4 Eldritch storm, jäklarimigvikkensmäll!

[Halvar]

Själv tänkte jag köra på spiritseers och hatlequinn allies. Kan inte röra tanks men varför bry sig om sånt när resten är skoj.

[NIB]

Läste en kommentar från en som spelat första matchen med Eldar:

I believe the new Eldar codex is as good as advertised. It might be even better. Played a game this weekend against the new necron codex with decurion detachment with max destroyer spam (he also took lychguard which are near impossible to remove). I nearly tabled him (other than the lychguard which I just ignored). I DIDN'T EVEN USE THE THINGS PEOPLE SAY ARE OVERPOWERED!!

For my army I played my Harlequins as my main faction, I know how they play and what their weak spots are so I was just trying to compliment them well. My points were roughly 2/3 Harlequins to 1/3 Eldar.

What I didn't take:
1. Any wraiths of any sort.
2. No D weapons.
3. No scatbikes (I just took the basic bikes as wounds for my farseer).


I took the Aspect formation that allows me to give +1 BS to every model in the formation. This is just silly. I took 2 units of firedragons and a max unit of Dark Reapers (that's 20 BS 5 S5 AP3 shots that I was able to get Guide and Doom off to help them every round for re-roll to hit and to wound). I was running with D6 + 9 dice every round. I could have taken the formation that allows to harness on a 3+ but I did not (though I could lower 1 power by 1 each turn).

It wasn't close. I won by a score of 16-1 using modified malestrom (without counting ancillary points). I destroyed everything besides his lychguard and then just played keep away, he couldn't catch me.

Thoughts on the codex:
- It's the most internally balanced codex I've seen. I don't see any bad choices. Even the subpar ones can be ubererd up with the formations.

- Wave serpents are still really strong. EVERY vehicle in the Eldar codex can get a 5++ for 15 points. This meant my wave serpents always delivered what I wanted where I wanted. Their offensive output is minor now, but they do the job of transport better.

- There are silly combos you can take from the codex that haven't even been talked about yet (How about an Apoc. blast with fleshbane and haywire with WC 3 on 3+s that you can throw as many dice you want at it and negate a perils with 1 WC? Yep, it's possible. OR how about a squadron of Fire Prisms / Falcons that can flat out 24" and then fire 1 weapon at full BS? Entirely possible with formation and wargear. Good luck with that IKs!)

- Even if you know you will face Eldar you cannot possibly build against it. There are too many combos that can tear you down a different way that it will be a real shot in the dark to beat them.

So my final thought is this. Forget about Eldar. Build your list to do your thing and then focus on that and do it well. Any time you build a list to counter X, whatever that might be, you are behind from the start. At the end of the day, that might be the best thing anyway

[Fenris]

Läste en kommentar från en som spelat första matchen med Eldar:

I believe the new Eldar codex is as good as advertised. It might be even better. Played a game this weekend against the new necron codex with decurion detachment with max destroyer spam (he also took lychguard which are near impossible to remove). I nearly tabled him (other than the lychguard which I just ignored). I DIDN'T EVEN USE THE THINGS PEOPLE SAY ARE OVERPOWERED!!

For my army I played my Harlequins as my main faction, I know how they play and what their weak spots are so I was just trying to compliment them well. My points were roughly 2/3 Harlequins to 1/3 Eldar.

What I didn't take:
1. Any wraiths of any sort.
2. No D weapons.
3. No scatbikes (I just took the basic bikes as wounds for my farseer).


I took the Aspect formation that allows me to give +1 BS to every model in the formation. This is just silly. I took 2 units of firedragons and a max unit of Dark Reapers (that's 20 BS 5 S5 AP3 shots that I was able to get Guide and Doom off to help them every round for re-roll to hit and to wound). I was running with D6 + 9 dice every round. I could have taken the formation that allows to harness on a 3+ but I did not (though I could lower 1 power by 1 each turn).

It wasn't close. I won by a score of 16-1 using modified malestrom (without counting ancillary points). I destroyed everything besides his lychguard and then just played keep away, he couldn't catch me.

Thoughts on the codex:
- It's the most internally balanced codex I've seen. I don't see any bad choices. Even the subpar ones can be ubererd up with the formations.

- Wave serpents are still really strong. EVERY vehicle in the Eldar codex can get a 5++ for 15 points. This meant my wave serpents always delivered what I wanted where I wanted. Their offensive output is minor now, but they do the job of transport better.

- There are silly combos you can take from the codex that haven't even been talked about yet (How about an Apoc. blast with fleshbane and haywire with WC 3 on 3+s that you can throw as many dice you want at it and negate a perils with 1 WC? Yep, it's possible. OR how about a squadron of Fire Prisms / Falcons that can flat out 24" and then fire 1 weapon at full BS? Entirely possible with formation and wargear. Good luck with that IKs!)

- Even if you know you will face Eldar you cannot possibly build against it. There are too many combos that can tear you down a different way that it will be a real shot in the dark to beat them.

So my final thought is this. Forget about Eldar. Build your list to do your thing and then focus on that and do it well. Any time you build a list to counter X, whatever that might be, you are behind from the start. At the end of the day, that might be the best thing anyway

Det är i princip omöjligt att få jämna matcher om man spelar Harlequins, antingen vinner man stort eller så förlorar man stort. De är lite som nakna personer som springer runt och skjuter bazookas (fast med närstridsvapen då).

[Halvar]

De är lite som nakna personer som springer runt och skjuter bazookas (fast med närstridsvapen då).

Rambo?

[Ceasar]

Dax att sprida lite positivt ljus i denna tråd/forum!

Efter att ha läst boken(mest regel-delen) och tittat på bilderna måste jag säga att jag är imponerad.

Ingen annan codex har skapat ett sådant sug efter att spela som denna har gjort. Det fina är INTE att det finns två enheter/modeller som är långt bättre än vad de borde vara.
Det fina är att det känns som att de hittat en balans mellan alla enheter i boken, men vill liksom ha med alla i sin arme. INGEN annan codex har kommiti närheten av detta. T.o.m. Banshees verkar balla numera!
Jag skiter i om Eldar är 'over-powerd', den biten fixar kompen eller så väl motståndare streamlina sina listor lite. Men det nya sättet att bygga listor med små detachments tror jag kommer funka riktigt bra när ingen enhet känns som en ryggsäck att släpa runt på.

Fantastisk bok!

Boken är fantastisk.

Problemet är bara att inga andra böcker kommer i närheten av att vara lika fantastiska

[L3go]

he,he...

"jag har spelat en match, och detta är IMBA!!!!"

knee-jerk anyone?

[Denkan]

Hur ser dom "nya" Falcon reglerna ut med uppgraderingar och dylikt?

Är dom värda att spela?


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